tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9367921.post113062148152975982..comments2024-03-12T11:58:30.386-06:00Comments on La Bloga: When Chicano Lit ≠ Latino LitContributing Bloguistas:http://www.blogger.com/profile/13054190814722049711noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9367921.post-1131142246520351362005-11-04T15:10:00.000-07:002005-11-04T15:10:00.000-07:00Manuel Ramos is right. We shouldn't label. The dis...Manuel Ramos is right. We shouldn't label. The distinction is so rare. My name is confusing. No one associates me with being Latina, yet I write from a Latina perspective. I know many authors like myself who don't speak the language fluently, or read or write or even practice the culture or traditions, yet we embrace our Latina roots. They write across the board, from genre to Chicano/Lat Lit. It would be a great disservice to the reading public if these talented writers got shelved in the Spanish section. Labels are fine if a publisher wants to define but not if it confines.YACWWhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16634000814027017171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9367921.post-1130951862094814472005-11-02T10:17:00.000-07:002005-11-02T10:17:00.000-07:00I like that you're bringing this up and how you're...I like that you're bringing this up and how you're questioning your own decisions. Of course the same author can pull you in different ways with two different books. (I'm thinking of Achy Obejas here)<BR/><BR/>In my current project, there are some Chicana authors who I think are writing Latina lit, as opposed to Chicana/o lit. By that I mean they're publishing with a mainstream author, bringing the reader into a particular Chicano or Latino community, but appealing to a "wider" audience, not necessarily raising complex questions about politics, history, etc.<BR/><BR/>That sounds like a value judgment, doesn't it?: X\@ lit is political, LatLit is not. I'll have to think about that some more.<BR/><BR/>I guess I must respectfully disagree with Manuel Ramos, though, in his view of the Writer, sitting down to write. <BR/><BR/>I always think about what I'm going to write, and I always think of my audience. The other writers I know do the same. You need to think of your audience to keep your work from being totally self-indulgent. Sure the characters may take you off in a direction you hadn't planned. But it's not like The Writer sits awaiting inspiration, saying do with me O Muse what you will. Writing is work and a writer needs a plan. Maybe that just means that all writers have to have a bit of the hack in them. <BR/>CR EsquibelKtrionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06208591005688480736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9367921.post-1130685880668055752005-10-30T08:24:00.000-07:002005-10-30T08:24:00.000-07:00These label discussions are tiring. I went through...These label discussions are tiring. I went through some of it yesterday at the Mystery Writers Day in Boulder - questions about defining the mystery genre and its relationship to "literary fiction." Something similar also frequently happens on a listserv where I lurk - there the point of argument is the difference between hard-boiled and noir. I have accepted that most literature labels are marketing tools created by publishers with no direct relationship to what an author may be trying to do when he or she is writing the book. This doesn't mean such labels aren't useful, especially when creating a college curriculum, but such labels have very little to do with the acutal creative process. Does anyone really think that a young author sits down in front of the computer and says, "OK, now I am going to write a Chicano Lit novel but not a Latino Lit novel"? No, the writer sits down and writes the novel that is in him or her (unless the writer is a hack, writing on demand for an editor, publisher, etc.)Good writers do not even write for their readers - they write for themselves. These writers are not bound by labels or definitions and if we on La Bloga get too hung up on such things then we will severely limit what we do. Even when an author does say "OK, I am going to write a mystery or sci-fi or Chicano novel", if that author is in the slightest bit of an artist he or she will not be hemmed in by the label or any definition. If he or she isn't trying to write something new, albeit in a particular category, then he or she shouldn't be writing. The Chicana/o writers that we feature on La Bloga don't appear to be fenced in by any label - they are redefining that label every time they publish a new book. In any event, I am too old for things that are more complicated than they need to be. So, for me, Chicano Literature is simply something written by a writer that self-identifies as a Chicano or Chicana. I am all for Daniel's sentiment that we need to move away from labels and just discuss lit, period. He's right, we're not there yet, but if we keep things simple, maybe we can move in that direction.Manuel Ramoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10360072661844419063noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9367921.post-1130653391872889482005-10-30T00:23:00.000-06:002005-10-30T00:23:00.000-06:00Blame it on the gloom that this post exudes: Thus,...Blame it on the gloom that this post exudes: <I>Thus, much of Chicano Lit discussions are forced to discuss in the realm of the English language, since we may not speak, read, much less write in Spanish. </I>. I agree that Chicanos and Chicanas are not writing as much as they could in spanish. In <I>La novela chicana escrita en español: Cinco autores comprometidos</I>, Salvador Rodríguez del Pino names five autores chicanos: Tomás Rivera, Miguel Méndez, Alejandro Morales, Aristeo Brito, and Rolando Hinojosa. Of those it is generally agreed that is only Miguel Méndez who still writes in spanish. Though am optimistic for the future. More and more la raza are inculcating their children spanish because our parents have seen that it is good.<BR/><BR/>However am afraid that when you speak of english and spanish and then apply those terms to Chicanismo you are in essence putting on the straight jacket that those languages have been trying to put on us for quite a few decades now. <BR/><BR/>Our space, our liminal space, if you will, is the code-switching, the language that has managed to persevere through generations, our inheretance such as Caló, <A HREF="http://aztlan2.blogspot.com/2005/03/espanglish-spanglish.html" REL="nofollow">spanglish</A>, a language that has <A HREF="http://aztlan2.blogspot.com/2004/11/rale-ese.html" REL="nofollow">a recorded history in dictionaries</A> and other bona fide goodies that only a chicano mind can possibly understand. <BR/><BR/>What turns off many a monolingual is this linguistic mish mash that includes the references of two cultures. By the way, cultures that expands from Washington DC to Chiapas proper (because we hardly ever just referr to the Southwest with the sole exception of the few such as Denise Chávez in Face of an Angel).<BR/><BR/>So not only do I disagree with the notion that Spanish is not being used (spanish as in spanish that the Southwest knows and understands) but I also fear that english here is being used in a manner that is not necessarily true to its meaning. <BR/><BR/>Either way, I hope I am pardoned for this long comment and most of all I hope it adds to the conversation though I fear I went askew somewhere. I can't figure out where, was it at the beginning or the end? Bueno, saludos gélidos van desde los Swedish Highlands.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9367921.post-1130629742519050692005-10-29T17:49:00.000-06:002005-10-29T17:49:00.000-06:00"Latino/a writers i've covered touched my chicano ..."Latino/a writers i've covered touched my chicano soul," says Dan. I'm asking for details, maybe that I shouldn't.<BR/><BR/>What did that mean in any particular case? How, what part of your Chicano soul was touched? How is that different from how it might not have struck a different Latino soul?<BR/><BR/>RudyGAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com