tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9367921.post473606816502891723..comments2024-03-26T09:40:00.710-06:00Comments on La Bloga: As the Story Goes: Mexico's ChildrenContributing Bloguistas:http://www.blogger.com/profile/13054190814722049711noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9367921.post-88630546209519003902021-04-15T23:31:45.077-06:002021-04-15T23:31:45.077-06:00(And this is part II)
I did hit the motherlode in...(And this is part II)<br /><br />I did hit the motherlode in terms of consanguinidad. First a link from los mormones:<br /><br />https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/es/Dispensas_matrimoniales_de_Estado_de_M%C3%A9xico,_M%C3%A9xico<br /><br />next a very informative article on canonical law regarding marriage:<br /><br />https://www.am-abogados.com/blog/la-dispensa-canonica-de-los-impedimentos-matrimoniales/3644/<br /><br />and finally, a link to a very interesting article on Encarnación de Díaz, the municipio just north of San Juán de los Lagos: http://www.scielo.org.mx/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S2448-83722015000200059 <br /><br />Another factoid: the Sistema de Castas used by the Corona dictated that the descendants of a man or a woman who married an india/o could, after sufficient blanqueado with español, go back to being designated español:<br /><br />1) español e india --> mestizo<br />2) español y mestiza --> castizo<br />3) español y castiza --> español.<br /><br />So, yes, there was a "mejorar la sangre" idea behind all this. However, if there was any mixing with black, there was no turning back. Read all about it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casta<br /><br />And, finally, there's a dicho that I never heard in Sinaloa but I first heard it from a Mexican diplomat/author who gave a series of lectures at UCLA. But he first expressed his opinion that "México es un país racista." I was speechless because I had never heard a white Mexican say that. He followed that by telling us the dicho: "no tiene la culpa el indio sino el que lo hace compadre." There is a lot to unpack on that sentence. The lectures, BTW, were on the Cristero conflict.<br /><br />Lucky for me, there were not that many indios in the South of Sinaloa by the time I was born so I never heard that dicho. The indios I recall I would see were mostly coras or huicholes who begged in the streets. Surely there were others but I never noticed them because they did not wear typical clothes as the beggars did. Sigh, I was so ignorant then. Then again, a child is, by definition, ignorant.<br /><br />OK, enough trivia that is not really trivia for us who are trying to figure out who exactly are we. :-)jmuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16295295876415944144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9367921.post-81214651730803919272021-04-15T23:31:09.446-06:002021-04-15T23:31:09.446-06:00(My response to your query turned out to be too lo...(My response to your query turned out to be too long. This is Part 1):<br /><br />En esos tiempos, se robaban las muchachas.<br /><br />And it wasn't that far back as the practice was alive and well at least into the 40s in the South of Sinaloa. I know because it was a "family secret" I ended up discovering when I managed to locate the "partidas de bautismo" of most of my ancestors who were all from the town of El Verde. It took a while because most of them were hijos/as "naturales" and many of these partidas did not include the father because for a time the church refused to identify the father for not being married (or maybe the rat bastard did not want to claim the child). Consequently, it took a lot of reading to find the family threads.<br /><br />Unbelievably, that practice actually a matter of record in the life of a well-known músico sinaloense, Germán Lizárraga. He was born in 1938 and 11 years later (1949!) his father, Cruz Lizárraga (yep, that very same guy) decidió robarse a la reina del carnaval de Siqueros (a nearby pueblo) and left his wife, children and everything. So, yeah, se robaban las muchachas. (Check el chisme at https://www.noroeste.com.mx/entretenimiento/espectaculos/german-lizarraga-vive-una-navidad-especial-HONO96180 and https://www.saps.com.mx/noticias/cruz-lizarraga-comparte-recuerdos-de-su-infancia.html There used to be a video of Germán where he actually says that his own mother fué robada por su padre but I could not find it). <br /><br />Now for ticking off the other themes: "Al Filo del Agua" takes place in those Jalisco towns that are described in "Las Tierras Flacas." And, yes, it resembles those areas of Spain the ancestors of those men escaped to join the expeditions to the "New" World. Those old soldados rasos kept the same customs and refused to give them up. It is likely that the ancestors of Nicolás González had some indio que se hizo rico and that's why they had a higher economic position than the ancestors of Eusevia Villalobos. There are all sorts of issues here: a 25-y-o that is un hombre de a caballo is used to hacer lo que le cuadre. And if there was trouble, that's why he was accompanied by his friends, to help him carry out his deed. The fact that he deposited Eusebia with his mother and did not just take her to el monte, raped her and left her there tells us that he was going to be un hombre and do what's right: se iva a comer esa tuna aunque le espine la mano. He married her and stood by her and his family and brought them all the way to Santa Monica. He was un hombre de honor, pues, notwithstanding how he got his tuna.<br /><br />Of course your grandmother was not about to talk about it porque no se habla de eso. There is a certain amount of shame even though he "did the right thing." <br /><br />As for "vecina accidental de este lugar," the church kept track of all marriages to avoid consanguinity, at least on paper. Therefore, the church kept records of who lived in the parroquia. In the case of your grandma, she became a resident "accidentally" not because she grew up there. As for the "vecina" title, a "vecino/a" was the classification given at birth to a child who was not an indio nor a negro. In other words, to a white child. That classification was supposed to last for life but that was not the case if the parents of the child were of higher economic position. The technicality on the title of "vecinos" is given in this Wikipedia page which tells you is based on a royal decree: https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vecinojmuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16295295876415944144noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9367921.post-32325345977661293522021-04-15T11:55:25.571-06:002021-04-15T11:55:25.571-06:00This also happened to my grandmother but in torreo...This also happened to my grandmother but in torreon, coahuila...My grandfather stole her, he was also an dark mexican and my grandmother was light skinned, beautiful. Very Similar story but its true, thats just how it was back then, and my grandmother really never talked about it. SDmamaof2https://www.blogger.com/profile/05864324424576829380noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9367921.post-34273116762149478722021-04-15T07:48:38.495-06:002021-04-15T07:48:38.495-06:00Poignant story, like water for chocolate. Where t...Poignant story, like water for chocolate. Where the bandido scoops up Gertrudis. The truth is much more interesting generations later, perhaps. <br />ndenecohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11099692694489633501noreply@blogger.com